Joker: Folie à Deux director Todd Phillips and star Joaquin Pheonix recently opened up about the film’s controversial ending and they are both defending it. Spoilers ahead! At the end of the film, Art

Todd Phillips “wanted nothing to do with DC” during the making of the film and refused to test screen the $200 million comic book sequel.

After Phoenix’s career box office revenue hit the $2 billion mark globally thanks to Joker: Folie à Deux, Phillips found himself climbing up the list of the highest-grossing filmmakers of all time. He is now ranked 29,